So, of course everybody was linking to this Slate essay a few weeks back, and then Karen Kelsky responded, and I also read this response that I thought was really excellent, and now Karen Kelsky has another response up by a guest blogger.
This post isn’t so much about responding to any of the above, except for that I wouldn’t be writing it if this conversation weren’t happening through all of these pieces. It just occurred to me, as I read the latest installment, that people who earn tenure don’t actually talk very much about what that’s like. I know when I was on the tenure-track, I was all, “I must speak the truth of what this is like!” and I was like that because I felt like Nobody Ever Talked About That To Me!!! (In hindsight: people did talk about that to me, but I never saw people talking publicly about it, and it’s one thing to read something and it’s another to have one off-the-cuff conversation with a mentor. So.)
I think something similar motivates the pieces that appear, with some regularity, about the horrors of the job market. I don’t think it’s really that everybody was ignorant until it happened to them, but rather that there is something important about seeing such things discussed in a more formal way. (Aside: I think something similar motivates “Mommy” blogging. It’s not that nobody talks about what it’s like to be a mother, or what it’s like to parent, but it can feel like one is alone because those things don’t make it into public discourse in a consistent and thoughtful way (consistently thoughtful way? maybe).)
But so what happens after you earn tenure? (Assuming you got a tenure-track position in the first place, assuming that you didn’t get denied tenure, obviously. This is not a post about denying the reality of the horrible job market, nor is it about denying the fact that getting the tenure-track job isn’t the end of the road. But that doesn’t mean it’s not worth talking about what having tenure is like, because some people do end up in that position.)
First, the necessary caveats: I am in a mid-sized metropolitan area in a geographical region that doesn’t suck for me (the majority of my family is within an afternoon’s drive, I actually like living here). The cost of living is reasonable, and while I left graduate school with debt (around 20K in credit card debt, around 70K in student loan debt), I was able to eliminate the credit card debt while on the tenure track, and I have a VERY low interest rate on my loans, and I can afford to pay more than the minimum every month. Oh, and also, I am one of the rare people who got my job offer ABD, so I don’t have years of job search plus moving for postdocs or temporary positions expenses on top of the grad school debt. In other words, my situation is unique, not bad at all, and ultimately, better than the situation of many people. Even with my tenured job at a not-so-great institution with a 4-4 load. Oh, and let’s not forget: I don’t have kids, or a spouse, to support.
But so what is my life like after I earned tenure?
- During the academic year, I work about 40-60 hours a week, on average, when all is said and done. In April? Yeah, it’s like 60 hours a week. But at the start of the semester it’s not that. I’ve developed my assignments, I know how to manage my service commitments, and I am no longer (most semesters, though this one was an exception because I made some decisions about incorporating new texts) teaching material I’ve never taught before. Yes, I did work those 70-80 hour weeks during the academic year before tenure, but that was because I was inventing everything from scratch. Now, I’m not. And I’m not a professor who phones it in and teaches from yellow notes. But there is a difference in one’s workload when one has got some things down pat. And there is a difference in the administrative parts of the job when one knows all the ins and outs versus when one is trying to figure everything out.
- I am not worried about money. This is not to say I’m out of debt. I’m not. I’ve got a mortgage, and I’ve got student loan payments. But the bump that came with tenure and promotion meant that I don’t need to be as careful about money as I used to have to be.
- While I no longer have pressure to perform individually that I felt prior to earning tenure, I now feel a lot more collective political pressure, in my department, college, and university as a whole. On the one I feel pressure to contribute, and on the other hand I feel the pressure that comes from contributing and then getting blamed for the contributions that I make. (If your dream of academic life is that you won’t need to work collaboratively with others, or that you won’t need to meet demands from some administrative higher power, then please do understand that academia does not afford you those things.)
- The thing that initially drew me to a career as a professor was the research that I could do, the ideas that I could have and disseminate. The further I get from graduate school and from my pre-tenure days, the more I have to fight to do those things that drew me to the profession, to carve out time for them in spite of other more pressing demands. I used to judge people whom I perceived as “dead wood.” Now I understand how they got there.
- I feel a lot more pressure now to seek outside funding. Even in a humanities field where that isn’t the norm, the reality in these budgetary times is that what money there for new ideas goes, and should go, to people pre-tenure. In order not to become dead wood (see the last bullet point), I need to find a way to support my ideas that doesn’t depend on my institution or department. That is very clear to me. It’s challenging, exciting, and exhausting.
- Whereas before I felt pressure to jump through hoops, now I feel pressure to sustain myself. This sounds easy, but it’s hard to be motivated to keep on keeping on. Now that there are very few hoops left, it’s hard to write, to think, to innovate as a teacher. This is it. Is this all it is? Probably. And it takes energy to make that new again for oneself, and to be excited. And if you’re going to do your job well, you’ve got to find a way to do that. If at first you don’t succeed, try, and try again. Lather, rinse, repeat.
So, yeah, that’s my professional life these days. And I am in a position of incredible and total privilege, and I get that. I am not, actually, whining in this post. I have a pretty ridiculously good life, in spite of the challenges. But, for me, this is what tenure is like. It’s not some nirvana wherein I don’t have to worry about doing a good job, and it has not granted me total freedom to pursue my bliss, and it doesn’t make me all that different from my colleagues who are grad students or pre-tenure or off the tenure track. What’s good about it is that I don’t have to worry about paying my bills. I don’t discount how good that is: that shit is good, and it’s a privilege. But once you get tenure, well, maybe that is the brass ring, but it doesn’t mean you get some kind of get out of jail free card, or a get out of work card. In fact, even though I work fewer hours now, I would say that I do more – and more different kinds – of work now. I’m happy that I am in a position to do that work, because I’m a workaholic. But it is still work. And I don’t love a lot of it. Short version: Tenure doesn’t make your life perfect. No, none of us thinks it will. Except for we all kind of do.
So should students go to grad school? Maybe. Should grad students seek academic employment? Maybe. But at the end of the day, all of these choices are about choosing a life, just like choosing any educational path is, just like choosing any career is. What I advise my students is that they have to choose lives that they want. And they have to know what they will give up depending on the choice. And there are no free lunches. Not even in academia.
This is a great (potential) meme. I hope others chime in with their experiences! We get a few hits on our blog from time to time from people googling what life is like after tenure, but we think there’s a lot more that can be written on this topic. Here’s us pondering tenure *before* either of us had it: http://nicoleandmaggie.wordpress.com/2011/02/24/does-life-change-after-tenure/
I’m still not sure if life has changed, although we care about teaching evals less and yes, we do more service.
We’re really getting pressure to get research money and that’s changed my research direction in order to make that even possible (since getting undergrad or M.A. students on a research project base on 16th century secretary hand is really, really, really challenging).
I still love my work but nobody should ever think that you get a job, get tenure and then coast on achievements until retirement. The environment an the expectations are constantly changing!
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Among the five posts I’ve read on the topic (the four you linked to, and yours), yours and the one the tressiemc website are the only ones that manage to escape making this only about class.
The clarity of that statement makes me all warm and glowy inside.
Thanks for this, Dr. Crazy. I’m in that final stretch of the phd, and like you intimate above, there are carrots that propel me forward to keep writing while working full time as a lecturer. I also appreciate (though not in that dreamy optimistic I’m going to have deep thoughts meme way) that you point out that we should be aware of the life we’re choosing to lead. The wave of tenure-talk posts and ‘reality of the job’ are really appreciated.
My experience of post-tenure life is like what nicoleandmaggie say: more service (at least early on post-tenure) & I care less about teaching evaluations. This is not to say that I don’t care about teaching. Let’s say it means that I teach as much for myself and my own need to learn and read and think, as I teach for the students.
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Be an awesome professor and students will love you. When students love you being a professor is more fun. In turn, you become more awesome. It’s cyclical 🙂
From my personal experience from a professor, as a student.
I work at an institution that doesn’t have tenure – it has probationary and ongoing appointments instead – but the dynamics are still very much as you describe them. Thanks for the insights!
Great post.
I’ve been a journalist for decades and every few weeks write a detailed blog post that’s an account of my daily life — the freelance hustle, scramble, rejections, revisions, cheapo clients, late payers, tire kickers — and yes, the satisfaction of setting my own sked and writing, (mostly) stories that matter to me and to others. But it’s much harder work than many imagine or want to face. Those posts tend to be extremely well-read as (like this one!), as so few people are willing to be really honest about life after you grab the brass ring.
WOW what a write that I’m glad you wrote! Oddly enough my son is contemplating whether to jump veer into the administration side or taking a professor position..It is a MAJOR decision for him. Money vs. not-so-much-money..He’s lucky than most in that he’s wrapping up a full fellowship for his PHD..I’m prayerful he’ll follow what warms his heart and not have to worry so much about immediately making big money..Again, its a MAJOR decision for him. I’d love for him to read/learn from your experience & I’m going to forward this to him. Ever so thankful you took the time & had the insight to write this. Continued good luck & blessings in all of your endeavors..4ever sincere, Berna(the 1 & Only)
It is nice to see your viewpoint. I think some people have the wrong idea of this subject. Thanks for setting it straight with your awesome blog and opinion!
What is really interesting to me is the throwaway lines in several of the pieces that have been written on this topic about how nobody would really want to live in the midwest. Part of the reason I find myself in a very different situation from others on the tenure-track working–or not working but choosing to live–in more urban areas is that the cost of living here, in my small midwest town, is extremely low. Having negotiated to get paid what I was getting paid on the west coast and then moving to a place where the cost of living is about half of what it was there has left plenty to go towards car payments, rent, student loan payments, etc. I think this looks different for everyone but it’s worth saying that there are real benefits to living in the midwest (and even beyond the low cost of living, I quite like living in my little town).
This is a wonderful piece. It’s really wonderful to see your viewpoint. I, myself, am about to finish up graduate school and begin looking for jobs. One of my possible options is to teach at VCU in Richmond, VA.
It’s great to read this kind of thing, especially from someone who writes with a “down-to-earth” attitude such as yourself.
Thanks for the Post!
Interesting, I never really thought about what it’s like to have tenure before. I guess there is a lot of pressure to maintain your reputation as a professor.
Thanks for the notes. The academe is one of the craziest places to be at!
I remember when I was hired into a tenure track position saying to my dean “I’m not really interested in Tenure” (I know, blasphemy). The best two days of my life?… the day I got hired into my tenure track position (I LOVE teaching), and the day I resigned from the university for a lower paying position outside of academia so that I could get away from the BS that interfered with my love of teaching (I know, long, run on sentence – I can do that now). I guess I should have known better but I didn’t want to believe what I already knew.
I jumped through the hoops and the tenure process and decided to leave before I completed the last and final step of gaining tenure.
Academics is not for everyone and it certainly was not for me. To think I would rather be fighting it out in the board room than in a faculty senate meeting (the bane of my existence!)
Great post!
Teaching is one of the noblest profession that’s the reason why I declined it when I was in my younger years. I felt I was still incomplete because I was tasked to teach college students and my knowledge in business was more in to theory. Now I am training people in my line of work I think I am ready for the challenge hehe..
Thank you so much for writing this. I am currently taking one of my last doctoral courses in a program, and I was just handed this timeline entitled “What to do each year before you get tenure.” It made me want to cry. The timeline ended a few years after you presumably got tenure — assuming you get a tenure-track job the first time around. When I did the math, I think I was 41 at the end of the process. I guess then I can buy a frappuccino without guilt.
I started a PhD because of the standard trope that I love reading/ writing/ thinking. And I’m good at it; I got the MA and PhD paid for with a living stipend to boot. However, I’ve only now realized that the love of reading/ writing /thinking might be a good reason to stay away from academia! I have no time to do these things well. I have little room to do these things creatively. Moreover, at the highest levels, narcissism abounds… and dealing with these personality types is no picnic.
So, I created a blog for reading/ writing / thinking — and it’s way more freaking fun to write on that than to conform to academic writing standards. If only blogging paid (I mean, if only it paid decently). But jobs outside of academia pay, too, and they seem to leave you with quite a bit of free time and an intact psyche.
“But at the end of the day, all of these choices are about choosing a life… What I advise my students is that they have to choose lives that they want.”
It took me a year of being a high school English teacher to realize the wisdom you’ve shared at the end of the post. While I love serving high school students, it’s not the life I want. Now I work in student support services at a university, and am able to serve but also have time for family and side-projects – I am able to live a more complete life.
Hello Dr. C. How long have you been tenured? Is there any way to be a university professor with just a master’s degree? Especially if one does not object to getting a doctorate?
Is there a like button? Because I like our comment 🙂
Thanks, Rachel! There’s a certain anonymity one needs when posting comments that speak openly about this stuff. I was nervous (since my name was displayed) that I had compromised my professional future when I published that comment; but now I’m glad I did! We gotta own our fears and reservations.
Hello all of you brand new commenters!!!! I take a weekend off and look at what I come back to! Welcome, and keep commenting if you have a mind to do so!
I’m glad that this post was useful to/resonated with so many of you – those of you who are still in grad school, those of you who’ve left the academy or who never were in it, and those who are doing the tenure-track grind. (I really didn’t think this post would garner such a response!)
@Rachel – I earned tenure in 2009. Because of accreditation standards at 4-year universities, it is the case that at a 4-year university one needs to have a terminal degree in one’s field to earn tenure. (For some creative writing/arts fields the MFA counts as a terminal degree.) If one has only an MA, it’s my understanding that one can only earn tenure in a community college position, though in a field like mine (English) that is increasingly harder to achieve, since the field is so glutted with PhDs. YMMV.
@Becky – Only you can decide your path, and there are lots of great paths outside of the academy as well as within it. I will say this: I *do* get to read and write and think creatively in my current position (“creatively” being a subjective term, obviously, but I don’t feel stifled personally, which is suppose what I mean) in my current position. Yes, there are challenges – not enough time, too much grading (which, let’s note, I assign myself), committee work, department politics. But this is a *job*, and in that, there is going to be stuff that is… not terribly palatable, even if it is important work. I suppose I respond just to say that being a tenure-track professor is a much more *free* identity than being a graduate student, at least in my experience, and my life since tenure, while grueling in some ways, is totally a privilege and better than grad school or being on the tenure track but untenured. In other words: this profession looked a lot more grim to me in graduate school and in my first years as a “professional.” From where I sit these days? It really isn’t limiting. (Of course, I might have drunk the kool-aid, and we should bear that possibility in mind, but really, it’s a great profession from where I sit.)
@Miss Molly – The fights are so bitter and so violent because the stakes are so low! But also: the fights are so bitter and so violent because people really do care – personally, existentially – about things that decidedly don’t matter to a bottom line. I value that, even if those meetings suck. Probably which is why this is a profession for which I am suited!
@Mano – YES! And nice to see you around these parts again!
@broadsideblog – Once upon a time when I was a teenager I thought I was going to become a journalist. I honestly think that the blogging that I do originates from the fantasies that I had about what that early career-path might allow for me to do. Thanks for stopping by and for your generous comment 🙂
To those of you to whom I’ve not responded personally – I really do appreciate your comments! But dude! Grading! My allotted time for this break is over! Thanks again, though, for all the responses. I really do appreciate them (and you as readers!)!
I know, it is a shame that as professionals in our trade we have to sensor our professional opinions out of fear. 😦
Whoa. I’m getting ready to head down this road in the fall, so it was both refreshing and terrifying to read this post. I have a while before I can even think about tenure, but ideally (or at least I thought) that is the plan. Thanks for sharing!
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Thank you for sharing. I am really happy to see that you advise your students to choose lives they want. The path of academia is not for everyone. One of my friends got “blasted” by her supervisor because she chose not to stay in academia after her PhD. She was told that she made the wrong move for her career…
Great Post. Thanks for sharing. Definitely an interesting read…-..-
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Great post! Thanks, there’s been so much in the media lately about all the reasons NOT to go into teaching, this post was really refreshing!
Just wanted to say I “second” your positions here, though I have the added craziness of having had a child the same year I went up for tenure. Six years later we are all alive, well, and deeply engrossed in our own educational paths (hers, Montessori, my husband and I University). We, like you, deliberately chose this life and love it, despite ridiculously long hours and all. More service, yes (I’ve been dept. chair for a significant portion of my post-tenure tenure) but having more time to reflect and deliberately do rather than react, is how I would characterize the change from tenure-track, to tenured work, for me.
I made a career choice similar to yours a good number of years ago, and I have never regretted it. Tenure was and still is a big deal. The pressure to achieve it is unrelenting. Once achieved, it freed me to be more collaborative, to be more honest with superiors over fundamental academic issues, and to branch out with my work in ways that I was free to choose.
Critics of tenure don’t get it. But without it, colleges and universities would be far weaker, less effective in unleashing latent talent, and less able to help build a more responsive world.
Thanks for your thoughtful post.
I experience a similar balance of similarities/differences of life pre- and post- tenure. For a few years I did experience a bit of a let-down, but now I feel renewed but more experienced. I have much more of an appreciation for what experience can add to my profession, and enjoy it much more.
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I’ve had a lot of different experiences in my life. A lot of “different” careers…
One common aspect of my work life was the center around teaching. In all of my positions I have had the priveledge of assisting others in reaching their full potential.
This post… I’m reblogging it because one of the most difficult positions that I have held was that of university professor.
The post is excellent and the comments are telling. The one that really made me want to re-blog this post was this one “I know, it is a shame that as professionals in our trade we have to sensor our professional opinions out of fear. :(”
Of ALL of my work experiences, working in the academic environment (higher education) was the most dysfunctional and frustrating.
I’m not talking about the students. I LOVED working with the students. I am talking about fellow “professionals” – faculty members and administrators. UGH… the WORST position I ever held.
My response to this post was… “The best two days of my life?… the day I got hired into my tenure track position (I LOVE teaching), and the day I resigned from the university for a lower paying position outside of academia so that I could get away from the BS that interfered with my love of teaching…”
While there are some EXCELLENT professionals in academia, there are more than a few that really should move on.
What made academia so difficult for me was that I refused to keep my mouth shut out of fear of losing my position or not getting tenure as a result of ticking someone on the committee off.
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There are certain parallels between what you say here and my own situation. As a tenured high school English teacher, I feel a lot of stress to keep bettering myself. Also, I am nearly the end of my graduate studies and earning a Masters in English, and I’m getting my first taste of teaching at the college level come the fall when I’m teaching in an adjunct position on top of my normal HS job.
This post was very informative. Very nicely written. It opened my eyes to some of the realities of teaching in college.
Interesting blog post and comments but I’m curious how can people not worry about job tenure, job prospects and research funding if we’re hearing all the time of the huge State budget cuts to the eduction sector. This IS going to affect everyone, the way that people plan their academic careers, their lives, the universities themselves, the students everything. ..It strikes me that we have to consider the consequences of these enormous changes that are coming and to be prepared for them otherwise we’re going to be caught unaware of things and be unable to cope well with the.
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I considered an academic career until my professor pointed out I’d earn more and work shorter hours (not actually true!) as a high school teacher. This was 25 years ago in Australia. I can’t imagine graduating with that kind of debt. It sounds as though your work life is very busy but rewarding. The hardest thing about being a high school teacher (I’ve now retired) was having to teach different subjects every year and re-inventing the wheel. My professor friends get annoyed when they research and set up a course then someone else later is given the job of teaching it. Overall, I don’t think I’d choose a teaching career again. Too exhausting!
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Thank you for this. I’m about to go up for tenure and with all the doom and gloom reports about the academy, it can feel less special. I too have a lot of student loans and credit cards and got the job ABD. But I’m very optimistic about life after tenure and I appreciate your post.