So, a few months ago, I sent a version of a chapter of my book out to what is one of the most selective journals in my field. This week, it was rejected.
Which, yes, of course, I didn’t like or anything, because who likes to be rejected? But. It does occur to me that these rejections sting a whole lot less these days than they did only a few years ago. And actually, this rejection was very, very productive.
So why does the rejection sting less?
On the one hand, both of the readers’ reports were actually very positive about the submission, for rejections. They offered really helpful suggestions for revision, ones that confirmed what I’d suspected about the essay in the first place, and which will contribute to my revisions for the book manuscript (from which this article was excerpted… which let’s note was part of the problem – that this was an excerpt). Neither was like, “Oh, this is garbage!” but rather, “this article just isn’t where an article for this particular journal needs to be.” Frankly, I’m not sure I’ve ever received more constructive or positive rejections of my work. To get two rejections that include very strong compliments about the loveliness of my critical prose (which, you know what? is totally lovely), the incisiveness of my close readings of the literature, and the idea itself? Yeah, that’s pretty cool. The problem was in the execution of the argument through my close readings and in situating the argument theoretically, which I thought might be a problem when I submitted it in the first place. But submitting it meant I could move on to other writing things this summer, which I really needed to do. And hey, now I’ve got great feedback, and it’s going to make this stronger, in the end, and will enable me to place the article elsewhere (a) and will make the book chapter stronger (b). So thank you, anonymous peer reviewers! Your generosity and careful attention to my article is going to make what I do better, and I am so appreciative of that!
On the other hand, what made this rejection sting less (every time I think about the sting of rejection, I hear this in my head) is the fact that I now regularly serve as a peer reviewer for journals. This is only something that has begun to happen in the past 5 or 6 years with any regularity, and it’s changed my perspective about reviewers’ comments. When I peer review, I take that job very seriously. I really am trying to help the author – even when I really hate what the author writes – to make the article better. Ironically, I was writing a recommendation to reject an article at the very same moment that I got my own rejection. Did that change my comments on the article that I was reviewing? No. Instead, it made me read the reviewers comments to my own rejected article with generosity. Because none of this, when it works properly, is personal. It really is one of the rare instances where what we do is about the scholarship, and not about networking or self-promotion or the “game” of academics. I used to take every criticism of my writing or my scholarship as “personal.” I realize, by virtue of the fact that I’ve been on the other side, that it really isn’t.
Now, that isn’t to say that one might not disagree with a reviewer. Of course one might. One does. I do. But when I got rejected this week, I didn’t take it as a verdict on my intellect, or a verdict on my ability to make a contribution to the scholarly conversation. I took it as an honest commentary on what I submitted, and as something that I can then use to improve what I had submitted so that it will find a home someplace else. Does it suck that I have to do the work to incorporate that feedback? Sure. But I can do that with a few days of solid work, and it will be worth it. And it’s not about me sucking – or even about what I submitted sucking: it’s about making something that is beautifully written and which has many strong points infinitely stronger. In this case at least, it’s not about scrapping everything I’ve already done. It’s about building and refining, which is always a good thing.
But what all of this leads me to thinking about is my students. The problem with being a student (well, one of them) is that your work is so connected to you, individually, and not to a broader conversation. And I think that this is a problem that we as professors exacerbate in some ways, in that we don’t necessarily offer constructive critique to out strongest students – we let them believe that everything that they will do will garner praise. And then they go on in their lives – whether in a conventional job or in graduate work – and people criticize them. And, oh, does it sting. Because they think it’s all about them. I know I did.
And while I try with my students to emphasize that they are part of a broader conversation and to give them criticism toward that end, one of the problems is that they don’t get that effort from every professor. If they get it only from me, then I’m a bitch. If they get it only from me, then it is personal, between me and them. And then the word gets around and a lot of students avoid that bitch Dr. Crazy.
And sure, my students come back, say, a few years later, to tell me that they appreciate me, but wouldn’t it be better if all of us were sending them a uniform message the whole time – not waiting for them to get to law school to send an email into the ether that pushing on their writing helped, or waiting for them to get into a graduate program to send an email into the ether that forcing them to have their own ideas and develop their own topics and to write in clear, thoughtful, deliberate prose helped? What if we taught them that “rejection” wasn’t a failure, and what if we taught them that saying something wasn’t good enough wasn’t saying that they aren’t good enough?
What if it wasn’t about “grading,” in the sense that we usually do it, which is fairly individualized and which doesn’t relate a hell of a lot to the way that we ourselves are evaluated, and what if instead we really thought about the students’ contributions to a world of ideas?
What if students learned that you can be doing A work and still have it not be good enough? Wouldn’t that be preferable to students thinking that an “A” meant perfection?
Am I sure of how to achieve that? No. Do I try every day to achieve that? Yes. But that’s also why a fair few students avoid working with me. It only works if we all do it, and we all don’t.
Whatever the case, it’s been good for me to learn that one can be rejected and still be great. And I hope that the students who take courses with me or work under my direction learn that, too. But I’d much rather that this approach wouldn’t be all about me and my grand ideas: I much rather that this approach were the norm rather than the exception.
Helping my students and post-docs deal with peer review of their manuscripts and grants is very important. Most of them are used to constant praise, and dealing with detailed intense criticism of their work and–sometimes–rejection takes getting used to. They start out reacting with disbelief and anger even when their papers are being returned for revision and resubmission, as if their work should be deemed perfect in the first instance. Eventually, if you don’t get to the point where you can even feel good about a rejection if it had positive elements to it and constructive criticism, you are gonna suffer as an academic.
Of course, we can _tell_ people that, but it’s like telling people to be patient or otherwise virtuous; good luck having them really _feel_ it. That said, yes, students should be getting strong critiques and the opportunity to fail, even if they are good students —- it’s like that Hemingway quote: writing is a craft which none of us will ever master. I don’t know if he took criticism all that well, actually, but he always looked rigorously at his own writing.
And was it That Journal, the poopy-pants one? I got the 1 paragraph (nice, friendly) rejection from That Journal for my latest article. Now it is out, and has been for a while, at Oh Yeah That’s a Big Name Journal Too Why Don’t I Ever Remember It?, and I am hoping that this means they actually sent it out for review instead of lost it under a file cabinet. I think the article can be better though, so if I get actual helpful comments I will be happy even with a rejection.
Well, after being grumpy and pissy for a couple days, that is.
I remember the first time I got critical comments on my writing when I was a student. I had received constructive comments before, but they were always additive (“could you also talk about this?”), rather than telling me what was actually a problem in my writing, or that I needed to rethink something. I didn’t get actual critical but also constructive comments until my second semester of college–that is, AFTER passing Freshman English. It literally changed my life: until that moment, I believed that English was a bullshit subject because no one ever called me on my bullshit. I was planning on being an engineering major until that class–it took me a couple of semesters of working with that professor, but eventually I switched to English, and it would never have happened if it weren’t for those comments.
One very odd result of all this is that I have a hard time believing compliments on my writing–they sound so much like the compliments I got from people who either ignored couldn’t see the flaws in my writing that really, truly were there. (Now that I think about it, this is probably why I’m freaking out about my dissertation defense: everyone keeps telling me it’s good, and no one on my committee has offered me substantial criticism for months now, because the diss was pretty much done back in May. As a result, the “don’t worry! the diss is great” comments I get sounds like false flattery to me, even though I know they’re just trying to be supportive.)
Sis, it wasn’t your poopy-pants journal – my article would have been too late time-period-wise for that one. It was the other one, that accepts stuff throughout the 20th century 🙂 And I got a full page of rejection from each of the reviewers (multiple paragraphs! in each review!), very specific. Seriously: I’m *delighted* by what the response was, even though I’m a big fat loser, because I know if it was total shit that they wouldn’t have bothered to give me the lengthy commentary and because it’s all really helpful, even the shit that I disagree with. (The journal claims it will respond in 12 weeks; I wrote at 14 weeks to ask whether it was even out for review; I got my response at 16 weeks).
The thing about having people feel it, students feel it? In my experience? It’s about being scary. I know that all of the women’s studies teaching student-centered nonsense rejects the scary, but I scare the crap out of my students, and it makes a difference. Maybe, if what we care about is student learning, we need to embrace the terror of learning? (Perhaps my next book would be titled “The Terror of Learning” – I do feel that would be awesome 🙂 ) Maybe we need to insist that learning is uncomfortable, and say that good teaching is making it uncomfortable and then supporting students through the discomfort, rather than saying that good teaching is eliminating the discomfort? I dunno. But I do know that the students who’ve worked closely with me have excelled even as I have made it feel bad for them at times, and I know that I excelled because of my instructors who let what I was learning feel bad.
All that said? Rejection sucks. But if you’re getting rejected, then it means you’re in it. If you don’t ever get rejected, it means you’re not putting yourself out there.
This might be a sign of my own masochism, but.
Sapeience writes: “One very odd result of all this is that I have a hard time believing compliments on my writing–they sound so much like the compliments I got from people who either ignored couldn’t see the flaws in my writing that really, truly were there. (Now that I think about it, this is probably why I’m freaking out about my dissertation defense: everyone keeps telling me it’s good, and no one on my committee has offered me substantial criticism for months now, because the diss was pretty much done back in May. As a result, the “don’t worry! the diss is great” comments I get sounds like false flattery to me, even though I know they’re just trying to be supportive.)”
Most of the people in my program were astonished at the person I chose to direct my diss, mainly because he is super-scary. But also: he told me in our first ever meeting about a chapter of mine, “I’m not going to give you compliments, because those won’t make your writing better. Don’t expect me to praise you.” He then proceeded to tell me that this wasn’t the first chapter, because “some people need to write things out of their system. Clearly, you’re one of those people.”
I felt like shit most of the time that I was writing my diss. At one point, I remember saying to my adviser, “Please, can you tell me what I’m doing well? I need some praise, because right now I want to drop out.” He, grudgingly, said some things that were ok. I kept writing. And then, months later, right before I was near defending, we got in a big fight in which he threatened to refuse to direct me. There was lots of crying (on my part) and apologizing and begging (on my part).
The day that I defended, right after he addressed me as Dr. Crazy, he said to me how enjoyable it was to read what I’d produced. I believed that compliment more than I’ve believed any compliment I’ve ever received. I couldn’t have produced what I did under anyone else. And I have never cherished a compliment more than I cherished that one. The point is? Maybe you, like me, need a person who will beat you down first. It’s not that what you’re doing now is not good enough. It may be that what you’re doing now won’t count until somebody crushes you first. Which, let’s note, is fucked up, but it’s the way that some of us work.
Will try to make it short. Paper from A grade university will get better treatment than a paper of same quality from B university. Peer review and terrorism share a crucial trait. The reviewer, terrorist, sees the victim while the victim doesn’t. Asymmetric evaluation will always be a problem.
Some people, e.g. reviewers, are smart and decent. Others are jerks. There is also a random element. Some reviewer don’t really know well the reviewed field. That results in biases.
With time you get better. Writing paper is a skill one can learn. Your judgment is a different matter. Each and everyone of us got rejected. Some rejection irritate the hell out of you. One of mine paper was rejected for a special issue due to lacking a specific section. None of the papers in the special section had said section. My son who is at the very top of his profession got rejected once. The rejector must have been an idiot. The paper was published as is on resubmission. Life is interesting.
There are some great reviews that teach you a lot. Thanks for that.
I think when peer review works, it really works- and I’ve been very grateful for several rejections because they gave such detailed feedback on new research that I was ‘trying out’, and helped me think about how to move forward. However, some feedback is useless, and it makes me angry. Why did fancy pants journal need to keep a hold of my article for 8 months, if the four reviewers came back with a total of 12 sentences between them – including such classics as ‘this is good, but not for us. Send it elsewhere.’ Cheers, but what the fuck am I meant to do with that? Because if you’re rejecting it, clearly it needs improvement- tell me what I need to do (and it’s been sent for review, so clearly it’s not about a mismatch with the aims of the journal). I’ve also had the classic, ‘this article would be more interesting if it was on a completely other topic, go away and write that article’- Er, no, please deal with the article you have not the one you imagine you want. In that case, I suspect it went to the ‘wrong’ reviewer in the sense that they didn’t understand the field I was working in and addressed their own field’s needs, but because we work on the same sources it seemed we would match. As an editor, I also spend a fair bit of time a) taking out bad words/ meaness from reviews; b) translating reviews into constructive feedback that authors can do something with – but this is because I think editors have a duty to be proactive and constructive.
Also in history at least, most journals are double-blind reviewing, so the reviewer doesn’t know who you are and you don’t know them (unless they give permission to be identified).
One of the most validating quotes in my tenure statement was a comment from a former student who said that he/she didn’t always like the feedback I gave, but he/she knew that it would make the paper stronger. I think there were a few comments like that, actually, from a few students. It was extremely rewarding that they understood what I was trying to do (not just be mean, but constructively critical) and they appreciated it.
Sapience, I too distrust anyone who is uniformly complimentary on my writing. It’s not that I can’t take, or appreciate, positive feedback, but I know it’s not perfect and if you won’t tell me that, why would I take the positive comments any more seriously than I take the absence of negative comments? For me, I react badly to feeling like I am being beaten down, but I do need someone who isn’t just going to flatter me.
I also love getting a good rejection letter from a peer reviewer (I actually got one recently, as well).
While I’ve had a few positive interactions with editors of journals (and the peer reviewers’ notes that come along with them), honestly, most of them have left me feeling like I never want to submit an article again (and, yes, most of those negative interactions involved pieces that were actually accepted). I haven’t sent out much since being on the other side of tenure, so perhaps that will help my *feelings* about all this, but I suspect not…
Dr. Crazy–that’s not *quite* my thing, but it’s similar enough. I did go out of my way to work with people in my department who are known for being tough, though none of them are stingy on praise where it’s due. For me, the real issue is that I don’t *believe* praise unless it comes with criticism, because my earliest experiences with praise over my writing were either false, or from people who didn’t know anything about writing. Now, the praise feels dislocated from the criticism, so I’m having a hard time believing the praise. But yeah–praise from someone who’s been very critical always, always means more than praise from someone who is always nice.
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